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More information on youth sports program is needed, parents say

By Alta Mayhugh
Staff Writer
Published/Last Modified on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:54 AM CDT



Alta Mayhugh | Williston Herald Stephanie Tangedal, parent of children in Williston Parks and Recreation sports programs, speaks before the park board Tuesday evening regarding her concerns about the disorganization of the programs and how she's witnessed bad coaching from some of the coaches. The park board reached an agreement to form a committee to discuss the issues.
Williston Parks and Recreation sports programs are disorganized and some of the coaches aren't doing their jobs, according to some local parents.

On Tuesday during the regular monthly meeting of the park board, parents Stephanie Tangedal and Niki Leininger, with assistance from other people in the audience, spent an hour talking to the park board about these concerns.

Need for organization

Tangedal said tournament information should be available as soon as possible to parents so they can prepare for traveling with their children, whether it be notification via e-mail, text message or by posting the information on the parks and recreation website.

"Parents are not getting the information in a timely manner. I feel there should be better organization," she said. She gave an example of a tournament planned in Grand Forks, and how she didn't find out until the last minute even though Jeremy Ludlum, recreation superintendent, told her it would be on the website on a certain day. Ludlum said he was supposed to get that information at a specific time and didn't receive it, thus he couldn't post it on the Web site at that time.

"I can't spend every day looking at every parks and rec Web site (for tournament information)," he said.

Leininger questioned whether Ludlum had assistance in organizing the programs.

"I have a hard time keeping my own family's schedules straight. Does Jeremy have help? Maybe we need more people helping with the organization," she said.

Tangedal agreed, saying she wasn't trying to put down Ludlum because she sees him being involved in many programs. Darin Krueger, Williston Parks and Recreation director, said when he came to Williston four years ago, Ludlum was the only one coordinating the sports programs and most people still come to him for help, even though Krueger is splitting Ludlum's duties with Nick Arola, recreation coordinator, and Mike Amundson, recreation coordinator in charge of communications.

Tangedal asked how are the parents to know whom to call about certain programs. The names aren't in the brochure because if one of the contact people leaves, the wrong name will be in the brochure, Krueger said.

"We have to know who to talk to," Tangedal said.

Ludlum said one thing that makes it difficult in trying to communicate with parents is some don't show up at parents meetings where he dispenses information.

At a recent Babe Ruth tournament meeting, only 10 out of 45 parents showed up, he said.

Leininger said it would help to receive an e-mail a few days before the parents meeting because the brochures get lost.

Coaching woes

The parents then moved on to the issue of coaching, or lack thereof.

"Coaching for youth softball, baseball; there's no coaching. There's no supervision. They don't give them direction. They need supervision," Tangedal said.

Last year, she said the 7- and 8-year-old program was awesome because the coaches had the children do drills; there seemed to be a sense of direction.

"They're not doing drills this year," she said.

Leininger said the best coaches needed to be with the younger set so the children could learn basics such as throwing and catching. Also, it may not be a good idea to allow anyone to play in All Stars, because some are ready and some aren't.

"You have kids that don't really want to be there. Are we causing more harm than good?" she asked.

Solutions

Board President Larry Grondahl said there needs to be a program syllabus and a coach's training manual. Board Member Joel Wilt suggested forming a committee of parks and recreation staff, park board members and parents to help identify the issues. Grondahl asked Wilt and board member Darcy Collings to meet with Krueger to perhaps create a "recreation enhancement committee."

It may take up to a year to make changes, but forming a committee would help, Grondahl said.

Tangedal is willing to be part of the solution.

"We're not here just to complain, we're willing to help," she said.
 

Comments

    player wrote on Jul 29, 2010 8:22 AM:

    " Mary, I am sorry that your female child is getting treated that way, but, don't expect it to get any better unless things change at Park n Rec. The adult women get the same kind of treatment and if we say anything about it.... all we get is lip service and 'too bad, this is just the way we're gonna do it'. Park and Rec needs to hire some women in supervisory positions instead of just hiring women to do administrative duties. "

    player wrote on Jul 28, 2010 12:56 PM:

    " If you think that the youth sports are messed up at the park and rec, you should also take a look at the adult programs. IMHO, it is across the board messed up. Their website is hardly ever current. They do no advertising to let people know of coming programs. Teams/managers are not being informed of meetings or schedules in a timely manner. Unqualified umpires abound and the good umps won't work for the wages that are offered (yet I'm pretty sure Jeremy and Mike and Darin all get their paychecks whether they do their jobs or not) It seems like pulling teeth to get an answer to a question when you call Park and Rec. I don't think they are overworked, but maybe they are...... in either case, if overworked--hire more help.... if incompetent--hire different help "

    Baseball Fan wrote on Jul 26, 2010 4:31 PM:

    " Disgruntled Baseball Moms and Dads - If you are unhappy with the WPR running the youth baseball program, you can work towards what Dickinson did. I believe they formed a baseball club, much the same as a local hockey club, that took the programming from the parks and rec department. To their credit, the Dickinson baseball program has enjoyed quite a bit of success in recent years. "

    lets be proactive wrote on Jul 23, 2010 4:42 PM:

    " So, beyond all the bickering...
    how does a person become active in the parks & rec sports for our children?
    What can we do as parents?
    I know showing up at games and encouragement would be outstanding...but,
    how active in these sports can we be as parents?
    how can us as parents participate in bettering the communication about games & etc..
    ...lets better the programs instead of bickering...
    it does not show our children anything positive if we speak ill of positive experiences for their lives.... "

    Mary wrote on Jul 23, 2010 11:16 AM:

    " I'm the mother of a girl in 1-2 grade softball - if you want to talk lack of organization and lack of teaching, go to one of their "games." In talking to another mother who has a son in 2nd grade baseball, she said that they have been playing games by the rules, pitching for themselves, being taught the basics for more than a year. The girls are just out there on the field. I agree with one mother who said that parents need to work with their kids at home - my daughter can catch and throw and hit the ball because her dad works with her. What she knows she learned entirely at home - not from her coaches. The girls have been totally ignored and I think it is time to change that. And trust me, I will go to the Rec Center and talk to them, not just sit back and complain about it on an anonymous message board. "

    Ryan Leininger wrote on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM:

    " Its easy to comment annonynously. These moms actually put themselves out there for the betterment of the program and not just for their kids and they did it knowing that all of the nameless cowards would be judging them from from the peanut gallery. I believe your either part of the solution or part of the problem. Thanks for doing this and offering to take the time and effort to fix things. You and all the other parents that were there that night but were not named in the paper are part of the solution. Thank you. "

    Al wrote on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM:

    " These lady's have not only offered up suggestions but have offered to help. as a parent you assume that the programs you are signing up for will have more qualified people than a couple of moms to coach these kids. That said if these moms are properly coached themselve through some sort of train the coaches program i believe they would be able to do a great job for our kids. The entire reason that our programs exist is for the kids. We can not always be coaching or teaching to the kids that struggle or we will lose the kids that excell. If the programs are structured properly we can give all these kids the instruction that they need. As far as cuts are concerned, noone has said these kids will not be able to play the game, they will just be playing the game at their own individual skill level rather than being thrust into a situation that hey are not ready for. If we provide the proper instruction and practice for our league teams we can have an all-star team that is on par with the rest of the states all-star teams. We can start coaching on stratagies of the game at a much earlier age and prepare our kids more for the higher levels of the game. (i.e Legion or highschool)These problems have been here for a long time but just because that is how it has always been does not mean that we should not look for a better way. Thanks lady's for brining this to the light and i hope it inspires change. Williston is a great place full of great people and we should have a great parks program for our kids. "

    annoyed wrote on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 AM:

    " When is this world going to stop basing childrens playing time on their "last name" and "money" It drives me crazy. It's easy to see that's what's going on but to actually have a parent say it at a meeting is a whole different story. I cannot believe it. These are children we are talking about and if they are going to be discouraged to play at this young of an age they are going to carry this with them throughout high school. This crap happens in high school way to much the way it is please don't start it with children also. "

    2cents wrote on Jul 22, 2010 11:51 PM:

    " These parents should NOT be getting criticized people. Wake up. They are just bringing to attention what a joke the programs are. And everybody knows it. Both adult and youth. Programs are unorganized and there is no accountability by anyone. I don't know what the problem is? I just know thats how it is. Jeremy gets blasted alot it seems like, but from what little I have seen, he is the only one putting forth an effort on these programs. I don't even know who the other guys are mentioned above that are helping him? I haven't been involved in activities in a couple of years, but everytime I'm around people that bring it up, its a 20 minute discussion on how poorly everything is ran. "

    K wrote on Jul 22, 2010 8:26 PM:

    " When I played years ago--during my pre-teen and early teen years, the parents were the coaches for league, and WPR provided very competent coaches for all-stars. We had practices for both. League practice was usually one night a week, and all-star practice was held more frequently during the day. In an attempt to even the composition of the teams, a tryout and a draft were held for league, and the employed coaches evenly dispersed the skill-levels of the players on the all-star teams. No one was cut. One year, my all-star team won the state championship game in our division with players who quite possibly would have been cut in today's society. My family was not privileged and was unknown; yet, I played in every game. "

    Shanna wrote on Jul 22, 2010 5:45 PM:

    " In response to some of the comments that were made regarding this article, I would like to say a few things. I think people are not seeing the big picture here. I attended that meeting and see things quite differently than the way they are being perceived on here by some of these comments. First of all, NO ONE is blaming Jeremy or SHOULD be blaming him for the way things go with the Rec Center sports. He does a very good job despite all the different programs he has to handle. Who else is going to answer their phone on a Saturday morning or Sunday evening for a question about sports? He truly cares about these programs and does the best he can with his time. He has always been helpful and nothing but pleasant to deal with. And the comment about the two mothers volunteering their time to get the program shaped up? They DID volunteer to help with ideas AND solutions for the committee. These are not just two moms complaining about the way things are run-it was a compilation of many parents concerns and thoughts, they were just brave enough to stand up and say it. As far as the All-Star Program goes, the comments about that are ludacris. In every other city that we compete against, there are cuts or at least try-outs. If the child who is cut or doesn't get as much playing time wants it bad enough, they work HARDER for the next year. We are teaching our kids to be mediocre. League is for everyone to play, All-Stars is to go out and compete. You all tell me if you'd like to drive across the state to get 10-20+ runned and spend at least $500 a weekend to play "fair and square" against teams that are true All-Star teams? Try having more than one child traveling and doubling that every weekend. Or how about opposing parents, coaches and players making fun of your child and team-loudly. Wouldn't that fire you up a bit? Yes it's unfortunate that parents feel they have to sign their kids up for All-Stars for the skills and practice time, but I'm sorry that's what league and time at home is for. At 15-17 kids on a team how is any coach expected to get anything taught anyway? All we want is to be able to be competitive when we travel. I'm not sure of the answer but targeting these two moms and Jeremy is NOT the answer. "

    Dave Slette wrote on Jul 22, 2010 12:52 PM:

    " I as a member of the Williston Park board want to thank the parents who attended our monthly meeting on Tuesday. We as a board know we have things that can, and will get better. It is so productive for us as a district to get our parents involved in the problem solving process. we know things will never be perfect, but with the help of staff, parents and a working board we can get the programs were we all want them. Again, thank you all for coming and to Mrs Tangedal and Mrs Leininger, thanks for standing up for the group and letting our board know your concerns. "

    Baseball Mom wrote on Jul 22, 2010 12:19 PM:

    " First of all I do believe that these mothers are very well intentioned and at least are willing to help find a solution to the problems that have plagued the Little League program for years, not just since their children have been involved.
    With that being said, I do also believe that there is a bit of narcissism with the comments about those who should be able to play and those who shouldn't. From the beginning of organized sports there have been children involved that don't want to be there. You will never be rid of that. I don't believe it is fair to cut little kids from a program. Even at the high school levels, there are no cuts for lack of althletic ability in baseball. That is just something that we ALL have to deal with, Moms. Get used to it. As for the kids who don't even want to be there, I would suggest talking to the parents, but good luck with that.
    As for league, my son was involved in Little Leauge within the past 10 years and if you wanted to have your child work on skills, you signed him up for All-Stars. The only time skills were worked on in league was the first week or 2 before teams were picked. After that, all they did was play games. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that is just how it has been. I do agree with the moms on 1 point of the Rec being disorganized about games and tournaments. You need to make sure the parents are informed. There is no reason that this can't be accomplished with 3 people supposedly working on it. "

    parent wrote on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM:

    " I think this is crazy. To say that the best coaches should be with the younger kids to teach them to throw and catch. Parents need to take some responsibilty and teach their kids some things at home. Catching and throwing are very basic skills that kids should know how to do before they start baseball. Spend some time in the yard with your children.
    Then the comment that said only the rich get the attention. My son plays baseball and gets playing time and attention he needs and we are far from rich and do not have a "last name" that means anything. "

    Baseball Mom wrote on Jul 22, 2010 10:53 AM:

    " I think this is exactly why it is hard to get decent coaches to coach our kids is because of parents like this. We need to let our kids be kids and have fun playing the game. Not all kids are meant to be all star players. People are not wanting to coach because they don't want to deal with nagging parents. My son has played baseball since tee ball and is now in babe ruth. I have found at most times I can go on the website and find the info for the tournaments and if not on our website it is on the website of the town holding the tournament. It just takes a little effort on the parents part to get the info.
    Jeremy has a lot of programs to try to organize not just baseball and I think he does a good job and is easy to communicate with.
    If parents would just let their kids play and the coaches coach things might go a lot better. "

    very frustrated wrote on Jul 22, 2010 10:14 AM:

    " My family is so disgusted with the Parks and Rec programs here, if my kid didn't have such a passion to play sports, we would have nothing to do with this program. We are never notified of cancellations, you call the rec center to see what is going on and get one story, then to find out later that it was not the correct information, and the information came directly from Ludlum himself. A few years back in All-Stars baseball, the kids didn't get to play one game against anyone, well most of them anyways, we all showed up for practice one day and no coaches were there, come to find out the coaches took some of the kids to an out of town game, nobody else knew what was going on, found out that some kids were getting cut from the team-mind you it was at the end of the season, what was the point of that?? These are the things that go on year after year that people are so upset about. "

    Nadine wrote on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 PM:

    " Why are you waiting till the baseball season is over to bring up these problems? I have a 12 year old in the Cal Ripken league and the all star program. This is a very well run program and the coaches do a great job.
    In years past if i had an issue with the little league i was always able to go to Jeremy and discuss my complaints.
    He always listened to what i had to say, checked into it and always got back to me with an answer or a suggestion. As for the all star program, we all no that kids develop and mature differently, i would hate to see kids having to get cut at the age of 9 and then lose there desire to play baseball. Just my opinion. "

    A Former Resident wrote on Jul 21, 2010 6:51 PM:

    " So this is news? The Parks & Rec program was disorganized seven years ago when we lived there. My kids lost interest in most programs due to the inability of Parks & Rec to do anything other than to cater to the rich folks in town. "

    Mom of 3 wrote on Jul 21, 2010 4:41 PM:

    " I hope that our Park and Rec Department does get more organized. Maybe then they would see an increased interest by parents who have kids that want to play, but are turned off by the lack of communication and poor coaching staff.

    Six years ago I put my son in a WPR soccer program and I couldn’t have been more disappointed. We basically showed up Saturday morning and the kids competed against each other, which is understandable given the low number of kids that signed up. However, there was no direction, zero encouragement and the coaches just let them wander aimlessly around the field while they chatted with parents.

    I actually tried to enroll my son in baseball one year, only to be told, “oh by the way” they travel for games which was never mentioned in the brochure that year, nor by the attendant at the Parks and Rec building. I would have liked that information before I enrolled him so that I could have made a more informed decision. Unfortunately, I found out several weeks later and through another parent!

    This August my middle son wants to play Football and I will be there for the meeting August 2, which I hope has not changed! I hope that the money everyone paid for this program is worth it and our children actually receive some encouragement and direction. "

    gimmeabreak wrote on Jul 21, 2010 2:21 PM:

    " Perhaps these two mothers should volunteer some of their time and get this program shaped up. "

    Highly Annoyed Parent wrote on Jul 21, 2010 1:02 PM:

    " I, for one, am highly disappointed with the youth baseball and youth softball programs. There seems to be no supervision to the young coaches, no organization; they just show up and play a game. No direction, no encouragement. You would think with as many coaches that are on the field with them, something good would come from it. Have yet to see it. "

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